Showing posts with label transmission. Show all posts
Showing posts with label transmission. Show all posts

Wednesday, April 11, 2018

Memories - I've Still Got Them

A few months back, while filming a segment on repairing a wire harness, I shared views of the notes I'd taken during the early years of working on the LeMans. These included what I bought, how much things cost, what I measured, as well as the successes and failures I experienced. The great thing was, while reading my notes, I was transported back to the mid-80s and our condo's carport. I could, in my minds eye, distinctly remember events just as I wrote them. Events like buying the car, getting my buddy, Steve, to help me push it down the street to my folks' house, getting the engine to first run for a few minutes before it seized up, borrowing a cherry picker from a neighbor and removing the engine for the first time, loading the bare block and crankshaft into my dad's VW bus and taking them to an machine shop for work. I remember using the lovely Loriann's sewing machine to sew a navy blue, tonneau cover for the salon of the car since the top was in shambles, and I remember the frustration of the day I spent trying to get the newly rebuilt engine to start, and how, after a phone call to a car buddy, I turned the distributor 180 degrees and immediately the engine fired up. I remember storing the heads and the manifolds in the rusty trunk and praying they didn't break though and damage the fuel tank, and I remember painting the empty engine bay. Something that didn't make the list, is my trip to an exhaust shop where I can still picture the craftsman creating exhaust pipes using a pipe bending machine and a card with lengths and angles on it. I'm not sure what I paid to have the two pipes made, but I bet it wasn't any more than $75. Try having that done for triple the price today - if you could even find a shop that had the cards.

Speaking of the cost of things, check out the prices I paid for some of the items. $43 for a title, registration, and plates. $27 for a good, used radiator. $107 to the machine shop for boiling the block, installing new cam bearing and freeze plugs (including the price of the parts), and turning the crank journals. Crazy!

I'm so thankful I still have those memories in my head, since no Instagram or YouTube existed back in the day.

TaskDateCost
Bought car, filled tires, removed driveshaft, checked battery, checked electrical11/19/1984$75
Got prices for water pump and battery (Grand Auto $13.83 + $5.00 core (pump) / Sears $38.08 (48 month batt.)11/20/1984$0
Attempted to straighten hood hinge with some success11/26/1984$0
Finally moved to home12/08/1984$20
Removed water pump hsg.12/09/1984$0
Removed seats, carpet, padding, and center console. Threw out carpets and pads.12/12/1984$0
Checked all spark plugs; put on other hood hinge; took pictures of car, engine, and interior; attempted to turn engine w/ starter (no luck); attempted to lower roof (no luck); radio works (sort of); removed battery plate.12/23/1984$0
Changed title01/02/1985$16
Re-removed hinge, raised front end onto blocks, took valve cover bolt.01/14/1985$0
Removed oil from pan, checked spark plugs (need new ones), checked rear brake liners, cleaned carb.01/26/1985$0
Cleaned under pan and suspension. Bought engine cleaner. Removed alternator.02/09/1985$3
Bought 8 spark plugs, timing kit, oil filter, carb cleaner, wire brush.02/16/1985$15
Removed air conditioning comp., power steering (moved), cleaned engine completely.02/18/1985$0
Replaced plugs, points, condenser, cleaned carburetor, adjusted points.02/23/1985$0
Changed oil filter, filled with oil, attempted to start.03/02/1985$0
Set points correctly, got spark to 4 right bank plugs, assumed other 4 ok too. Checked fuel line (no fuel in tank).03/17/1985$0
Replaced fuel filter. Got a gas cap for free (wrong size). Tested compression. All about 90 psi, suspect tester wrong. Found there was gas in lines & tank. Hooked up plugs. Turned engine with oil in cylinders. Started engine. Ran few seconds and I turned it off due to automatic trans. shooting out. Tested radiators. threw out one with hole. Remounted alternator and power steering units. Flushed out engine coolant system with garden hose. Quite dirty, but ran clean after a while.05/25/1985$5.05
Connected transmission fluid cooling lines to radiator. Flushed coolant lines in engine again. Started again. Took a while and a lot of B12 (starting spray), but finally ran. Made a lot of grinding noises, but I figured it's now or never. Smoothed out after 10 seconds. I turned it off soon after that and found that transmission fluid was leaking at the splined driveshaft connection. I jacked up the rear, bolted up the shaft, removed, filled, remounted the two rear wheels (one was completely flat). Lowered back onto cinder blocks. Will start again after I get some gas or quick-start.06/03/1985$0
Loriann bought belts & water pump07/17/1985$30.88
Attempted to install, no bolts, need 5/16 fine X 1 1/2 L (7). 1 nut same thread, 1 3/8 course bolt.07/27/1985$0
Loriann bought bolts and nut. I bought gasket sealer. Bolts wrong size. Should have been course thread07/30/1985$4
Installed water pump with fine bolts. Made new threads. Holds well. No problem. Taped roof. Bought ATF, bolts for pulley wheels (5/16 fine X 1" L), quick start, and funnel. Put on pulley. None of the fans fit. May need to move power steering pump because it might be in the wrong spot. Fan says FORD on it. Must check w/ twin by work.08/12/1985$102.97
Returned core of water pump. Went to Milpitas Auto Dismantler and found a '65 LeMans coupe in perfect condition. Bought a side view mirror and two window rollups. Went to Tex's Auto Wrecker and bought a fan, extension, and 4 bolts. Put the fan and mirror on. Hooked up hoses and belt to alternator and steering pump.08/17/1985$15
Filled up radiator and watched it leak. Also found leaks in heater core and timing chain cover. Removed the radiator. Removed the alternator and power steering ump to make timing chain cover more easily accessible.08/18/1985$0
Bought gasket set.08/19/1985$13.85
Removed alternator bracket and filled up with water again. Assumed that leak was in timing chain cover gasket. Took out front seats and swept out interior.08/21/1985$0
Rented electric impact wrench, hub puller, and socket.08/23/1985$16
Removed everything for timing chain cover; (see page 1165-1166), found holes in cover; will replace, $25 at Tex's Auto Wrecking08/24/1985$0
Cleaned half of rear seat. Looked great.08/26/1985$0
Old timing chain cover stolen. Don't have a match to use at Tex. Need to find a cover on the engine to assure the right match.09/13/1985$0
Went with Dad to wrecking yards. He had called and found that a wrecking yard at the end of Mowry had some 326 cu. in. engines. We went and found two. A '64 Tempest & a '65 Tempests. Pulled the cover off the '64 along with a hose off the '65.09/13/1985$21
Installed timing chain cover and fuel pump. Before I did this I investigated removing the oil pan to investigate brg wear. Impossible.09/13/1985$0
Bought Sear's DieHard Battery. Old battery tested, "no good."10/13/1985$59
Removed heater core and bought mat'l. for cover.10/20/1985$6
Bought MAP gas, solder, flux, and spare key. Attempted to patch heater core, no luck. Will try again.11/02/1985$10
Bought more solder. Worked on cover. Bought grommets.11/16/1985$2
Finished cover. Disconnected power top cylinder rods. Dropped 7/8 socket into car. Must remove cylinder. Put cover on - looks good. Needs hooks for center of dash. Bought battery cable ends.12/08/1985$1.5
Bought used radiator. Bought caps for water pump and block to bypass heater core. Bought radiator hose (1 3/4" dia X 1 1/2" dia. X 22" long). Bought coolant flush and anti-rust. Discovered that auto-trans. lines' fittings are too small on new radiator. Cried. Remounted the following: alternator, power steering pump, a-c condenser. Put on battery cable. Put on caps. Removed socket.12/28/1985$39.3
Bought 5/16" dia SAE inverted flare to 5/16 hose fittings, 4 clamps, and 3/8 dia fuel hose. Sawed off a-t lines. Connected all up including radiator hoses. Will fill up in daylight tomorrow.01/03/1986$5.5
Filled radiator after attempting to flush the engine. Hooked up fan and fan belt. Started and ran engine. Made noise like nut grinding in pan. Stopped after a while at bottom rpm. Need to time tomorrow and adjust valves.01/04/1986$0
Started up again. Ran for a couple of minutes with intermittent clanking. A couple of times, the engine slowed. At the end, the engine just froze up. Wiped out brgs? Will ask for suggestions as to what to do next.01/05/1986$0
Rebuild costs (check Car Craft mag.) Kragen: $38.99 set bearings, main, $40.00 gaskets, $30.00 rings.01/05/1986$0
If rebuild is necessary, the following steps shall be followed. 1) Remove carb. 2) Disconnect lines, linkages, etc. and follow instructions on pg. 1162. Removed intake manifold and heads first, if possible.01/05/1986$0
Drained oil, will save, removed converter cover, removed starter, loosened some oil pan bolts. Found how to lift engine and remove mount bolts.01/08/1986$0
Removed a starter bracket, 17 oil pan bolts, jacked up engine as far as it would go, broke pan loose, can't remove unless engine is removed, too much in the way. Next step is to remove a head to see the condition of the cylinders. This will tell me whether I'll need to replace the pistons. bolted the oil pan with 4 bolts, put 13 in a coffee can w/ all the starter & converter cover fasteners & hardware. Disconnected one exhaust pipe. Found I need to borrow Rob's torque wrench, maybe next weekend.01/12/1986$0
Removed timing chain cover.01/19/1986$0
Took out seats and rear arm rests. Wire brushed loose rust from back 2/3 of salon. Bought rusty metal primer & brush. Applied.02/08/1985$5.28
Bought (2) 20 gauge pieces of sheet metal 24" X 24" to put into rear floor pan. Borrowed Rivet Gun from Jerry Smerecky.02/28/1986$15
Wire brushed front half of salon and underside of holes. Swept out. Bought caulking.03/01/1986$1.69
Painted w/ rusty metal primer the front half of salon. Repacked front wheel brgs.03/02/1986$0
Removed Emergency Brake to de-rust. Put seats back in.03/03/1986$0
Borrowed electric sheet metal cutter from Steve Downs. Cut some holes in the floorboard. Bought distributor wrenches.03/04/1986$2
Bought black paint, a brush, and paint thinner. Cut out one patch and shaped it.03/08/1986$6.97
Cut and shaped the second patch. Primed and painted the bottom of the patches. Painted the area in the car where the patches go.03/09/1986$0
Riveted the patches in.03/12/1986$0
Painted the floorpan flat black. Put hooks in the car cover. Works better.03/16/1986$0.89
Returned sheet metal cutter and riveter. Borrowed valve spring compressor from Al Schafner. He made offer of use of valve lapper. Removed carburetor, intake manifold, valve covers, rocker arms and valve lifters.03/17/1986$0
Removed 10 head bolts on P-side. Removed P-side head. Step on cylinder and cylinder bore look good.3//19/86$0
Removed D-side head.03/23/1986$0
Borrowed ID mic. from Paul in 2-1. Dimensions as follows: 03/27/1986$0
3.7231 / 3.7230 / 3.7230 / 3.7212_() front of engine03/27/1986$0
3.7230 / 3.7240 / 3.7230 / 3.7220 () front of engine03/27/1986$0
3.7230 / 3.7240 / 3.7180 / 3.7190 remeasured03/27/1986$0
Called dealer and found that bore should be 3.717, therefore oversize from .004 to .007. Good news. Talked to the Eugene Yu about borrowing his cherry picker. He says no problem. Took off the #8 valves. Broke the retainers. Need to price replacement.03/28/1986$0
Took off clamps for P-side exhaust and tailpipes. Found that Midas welded the muffler on. Removed the drive shaft. Drained the A/T. Some metal flakes. Disconnected the A/T linkage, speedo (see bracket), some wire , mount (2 bolts). Got cherry picker. Removed hood. Lifted engine and removed oil pan and splash pan. Put engine back in, while losing the rubber mount for the A/T. Put in box. Punctured oil filter accidentally. Replaced hood.03/29/1986$0
Removed all pistons and rods. Rod brg #5 had spun. Small step, must measure OD of crank and ID of rod, might be able to get away with just going to an oversize brg. Removed the rest of the valves on the P-side head. Seals and locks replaceable. Fond '66 Tempest Shop Manual at Mtn. View Library. Checked out.03/31/1986$0
Removed all valves from heads. Bought oil.04/01/1986$6.6
Thoroughly cleaned heads.04/07/1986$0
Thorough cleaned valves, springs, etc.04/08/1986$0
Lapped the following. Bought paint and oil filter.04/09/1986$6.29
Intake 1 3 5 704/09/1986$0
Upper dia .34 .34 .34 .3404/09/1986$0
Lower dia .34 .34 .34 .3404/09/1986$0
Exhaust 04/09/1986$0
Upper dia .337 .34 .34 .3404/09/1986$0
Lower dia .334 .341 .34 .3404/09/1986$0
Intake 2 4 6 804/10/1986$0
Upper dia. .3404/10/1986$0
Lower dia. .3404/10/1986$0
Lapper broke!04/10/1986$0
Bought the right paints. 2 cans and a smaller wire brush. Bob's Auto Parts. Lapper broke again.04/11/1986$9.62
Lapped last valves. Loosened main bearing caps. Took off distributor and timing set. Bought valve seals.04/12/1986$4
Cleaned oil pan and intake manifold.04/13/1986$0
Removed engine. Separated tranny from engine. Removed crank.04/19/1986$0
Rented ridge reamer and glaze breaker and used. Removed main bearings and camshaft valvetrain.04/21/1986$10
Brought block and crank to Calaveras Auto Supply for work. Loriann bought me 3 of the correct hubcaps to complete the set.04/22/1986$25
Picked up block and crank. Crank ground .010 under on both mains and rods. Paid for block boiled, new freeze plugs, new cam bearings. Finished cleaning oil pan and timing chain cover. Bought engine cleaner.04/26/1986$110.4
Cleaned and painted heads. Painted oil pan, block, timing set cover, water pump, and intake manifold. Ended up being wrong color. Used anyway.04/27/1986$0
Bought timing chain and degreaser.04/28/2008$12
Bought the following: Gaskets, Bearings, Rings, Oil filter, and black paint04/29/1986$94.29
Cleaned A/T, oil pump, lifter cover, valve covers. Assembled heads. Cleaned engine compartment and some accessories on firewall.05/06/1986$0
Painted valve covers, lifter cover.05/07/1986$0
cleaned excess bolts. Installed lifters and camshaft and timing chain cover stud.05/08/1986$0
Received bearings, gaskets, and rings and cleaned and painted engine compartment.05/20/1986$0
Installed pistons, crankshaft, rod & main bearings, timing chain, and fuel pump eccentric. Had to rent ring compressor and buy gasket sealer05/24/1986$8.89
Installed oil filter adapter, oil pump (after putting it together), oil splash pan, oil pan, timing chain cover, dampener, weights.05/26/1986$0
Disassembled, cleaned, reassembled all the hydraulic lifters. Bought solvent.06/08/1986$3.5
Connected flex plate. Cleaned some heater and A/C stuff.06/09/1986$0
Put on motor mounts. ????? Assembled tranny. Drained converter. Installed motor with rented cherry picker. Installed drive shaft. Things went well excpet for reversed ????06/10/1986$23.5
Installed heads, lifting rods, rocker arms. Not fun fighting with the heads.06/12/1986$0
Installed coil, distributor, and lifter covers.06/14/1986$0
Installed intake manifold, fuel pump.06/15/1986$0
Cleaned and painted minor bolt-on pieces. Bought Naval Jelly and 4 qts A/T fluid and 3 cans engine cleaner. Wire brushed air cleaner and a valve cover. Painted valve cover. Installed Power Steering Pump and Alternator. Hooked up some wires (including battery wires to block and solenoid). Need to tighten nuts on solenoid. Bolted down carb., along with carb. accessories. Attached vacuum line for A/T.06/29/1986$13
Installed bracket for alternator. Installed small vacuum hoses. Need to replace the 1 hose (air from manifold). Cleaned the broken A/T fluid cooler line.06/30/1986$0
Connected up stuff07/04/1986$0
Connected up stuff07/06/1986$0
Finished everything except for Air Cleaner. Bought gasket (AT) and paint. Not enough amps to start.07/12/1986$6
Finished air cleaner. Removed starter. Suspect burnt out brushes in motor. Discovered broken brake line.07/19/1986$0
Removed rusted exhaust pipe with hacksaw. Removed broken brake line.07/27/1986$0
Bought new starter07/28/1986$30
Installed new starter. Got engine to turn over but there was no gas in tank.08/12/1986$0
Went to junkyard (ABLE). Bought brake line, battery tray, and hood hings. Installed hing. Bought gas. Started engine. Ran after turning distributor (thanks Rob Notman)! Installed brake line. Bought brake fluid, hose, air cleaner element.08/16/1986$27
Bled brake lines. Cleaned and installed emergency brake. Cleaned under carriage. Determined that two bias ply tires are needed. Checked seat, need spring to keep from sliding.08/17/1986$0
Adjusted timing and idle speed08/19/1986$0
Bought paint. Painted shroud and radiator holder.08/20/1986$6
Registered car. Brushed and painted battery tray. Painted shroud. Fixed driver's seat. Noticed tranny shifting problem. Cleaned wheel cover.08/29/1986$26
Bought A/T fluid and cover bolts. Drove car up ramps. Removed existing exhaust system. Put on torque converter cover. Have to fix leak. Cleaned trunk.8/34/86$8
Installed heater fan. Bought paint for trunk and wheel covers.09/01/1986$8
Installed heater ducting.09/02/1986$0
Bought oil pressure switch and thermostat09/04/1986$6
Installed oil pressure switch and crossed fingers.09/06/1986$0
Fit up exhaust system. Need to enlarge muffler pipes. Bought flange.09/13/1986$4
Enlarged muffler pipes. Bought clamps. Fit up and installed passenger side.09/15/1986$6
Fit up and installed driver's side. Drove to gas station. Noticed tranny slip between gears. Must adjust belts later.09/16/1986$0
Filled up A/T. Put gaskets on exhaust. Adjusted speed, timing, and fuel mixture. Bought primer for trunk.09/20/1986$9.09
Bought hood ornament, trunk mat, light bulb, flasher, tire hold down from junkyard. Loriann bought shocks.09/27/1986$28
Took out exhaust gasket on D-side. Switched all radials to back. Installed shocks.09/28/1986$0
Adjusted timing to 6 degrees BTDC and idle speed to 500 RPM in Drive.10/04/1986$0
Installed A/C compressor. Installed thermostat.10/20/1986$0
Found 2 radial tires in trash11/10/1986$0
Installed new tires on front11/14/1986$8
Bought thermostat hsg. (used)02/12/1987$1
Installed thermostat hsg. with new gasket.02/20/1987$0.85
Installed remote sideview mirror that I bought in CA.05/08/1990$10
Began disassembly of body. PF1 (Passenger Front #1): Screws to bottom of PF3 and pushes up into back of bumper. PF2: Clips to PF3 (3 up) and to bumper support that runs front to back and pushes up and in. NOTE that front turn marker wire goes thru hole in front firewall.09/19/1990$0

Wednesday, November 8, 2017

Setting Priorities

With high temps for the next week or so predicted to only be in the 40s and 50s, I need to make sure I can use the garage as a paint booth. That means I need to get the LeMans drivable, even if it's just in and out of the garage. Since I recently completed the carburetor rebuild, "all" that's left to get a running, stopping car is the following:

Fuel:
  • Come up with a temporary, gravity-feed gas tank so I can bypass the existing fuel lines and tank
  • Install the rebuilt carburetor
Spark:
  • Clean the points and re-set
  • Clean the spark plugs and check gap
  • Check the plug leads for damage
  • Clean and install the rotor and cap
  • Find the ignition key
Interior:
  • Bolt down the driver's seat
  • Bolt the column support to the underside of the dash
Brakes:
  • Check the  fluid level in the master cylinder
  • Inspect the lines
  • Do a hard, harder, HARDER test on the brake pedal
  • Check the parking brake
Once all that is done, the car should fire up and idle so I can adjust the carburetor. I'll then say a prayer and put the transmission in gear. To check the ATF level the transmission should be warm and in Park.

I bought a tube of Bondo hardener to replace the failed one (see my video). Now I can finish off the Bondo in the can and smooth out the passenger door. Next , I'll need to shoot some coats of hi-build primer before I can lay down any paint. Speaking of paint, I've narrowed the color choice down to  Wild Pomegranate Metallic and Go Mango (or some orange close to this like Kirker's Atomic Orange Candy).



A hard decision I've recently made is to stick with front bucket seats like the car came from the factory with. The deciding factors for this were 1) I really like the stock, '65, parchment, vinyl interior, and 2) I'd really like to put a manual transmission in this car someday. I am having SO much driving my stick-shift Mustang, I'd love to have the same experience when I'm finally behind the wheel of the LeMans. There's a pedal conversion kit available, but I'd still need to source things like the transmission, bellhousing, clutch, and shifter. That project is for another day, but now I can accommodate it.

Tuesday, February 14, 2017

What To Buy?



With last weekend’s completed sale of my ’68 Corvair, I find myself with a little coin in the LeMans kitty. I’m still not clear on this whole irony thing, but isn’t it ironic that the first item I buy is a come-along (aka Cable Winch Puller)? The Corvair was parked up against the wall of the garage, so I needed to yank it out in the middle in order to get it off the dollies and rolled into its temporary home in the portable garage and a come-along was the right tool for the job. By the way, it’s very odd to type the Corvair, since it’s been fourteen years since I’ve only had one Corvair.

Anyway, last night, with the help of my future son-in-law, Jeff, the Corvair was moved out of the garage leaving only some tidying before the LeMans can be relocated there. With no rain in the forecast through this coming weekend, maybe that will happen sooner, rather than later.

Back to the real subject of this post, how to spend money. I was on the verge of buying a HEI distributor and high-performance spark plug leads on Amazon, but decided against it, since the first thing I need to do is tear down the engine and transmission, not dress it up. I’m starting with the engine and transmission since I know both have issues (broken piston skirt and balky shifting respectively). Once the car is in the garage, the plan is to immediately pull the engine and transmission and tear down each. That reminds me, I need to remember to back the car into the garage when it’s being moved. Once I make sure the the hard parts are reusable, I’ll buy a set of pistons from Egge, a re-ring kit off eBay, a ST-300 rebuild kit from autotran.us, and an ATF filter from RockAuto. Only after the drivetrain is back in place, will I worry about distributors and spark plugs.

I’m excited!

Monday, February 6, 2017

Heading East, Again



This is a good time to relay the LeMans' first two cross-country trips. She was built in 1965 at General Motors' Fremont, California assembly plant. Coincidentally, this facility (now popping out Teslas) is located less than five miles from the house I grew up in. A few times during my formative years, I was fortunate enough to take tours there and watch them put cars together. I don't remember if any of these visits occurred when I was only four years old (doubtful), but it's fun to think I could've unknowingly watched my car being built two decades before I took ownership. I digress. Once she LeMans rolled off the line, she was loaded onto a train for her first trip to the east. After arriving in Richmond, VA, she was transported to the downtown dealer and sold to her original owner, William Hayes. A few years later, William and his wife drove the car back to Fremont moving into a house just a block away from where I was forming a deep attraction to all things automotive. How did I come to learn this story? I sent the car's VIN and a twenty dollar check to Pontiac Historical Services and they replied with a large envelope filled with wonderful information including the build date and location and the dealer name and address.

Now, skip ahead twenty years. It was mid ’86 and the lovely Loriann and I were expecting our first child. We were living in a rented two-bedroom rowhouse in Silicon Valley with dreams of a home of our own. Thirty years ago, housing prices there were as they are now – astronomical. To help us realize our dream, my father-in-law, Don, mailed me (as in US Postal Service, envelope, stamp) a newspaper clipping from the Jobs section of his local Albany, NY newspaper. The Mechanical Technology Division of my current employer, Westinghouse, was looking for a mechanical engineer. The location? Pittsburgh, PA. I’m not sure how I did it pre-internet, but, somehow, I was able to determine that there was affordable housing there. A phone call with the hiring manager was followed by a flight to PIT, a face-to-face, and, a few days later, a job offer that included a raise and a generous moving allowance – one that included moving both our old cars (the LeMans and a ’62 Corvair).

A month or so later, it was moving day, and the Allied Van Lines trailer was parked outside the carport of our home. Since both cars ran, the plan was to drive the two of them into the trailer, anchor them in place, and then build a platform above them to hold the contents of our townhouse. The LeMans was the first to go in, so I started up the car and got it idling nicely before turning it over to the packer who was to drive it up the rather steep ramps. His first attempt was a fail since the tips of the tailpipes touched the ground. After placing some pieces of 2X12s at the lower end of each ramp, the second attempt went cleanly. Due to the extreme incline, the packer had to really give her the gas to get to the top of the ramps. Sadly, by the time the car was nestled in the front of the trailer, there was a nasty smell coming from the transmission.

A week later, the LeMans was ensconced in its new home in a 2-car garage. It’s sad that I never had time to utilize that nice workspace, but that’s another story. The quality of the photograph below doesn't allow viewing the LeMans, but it was there, hidden behind the closed door.